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Age · May 31, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Monk/Warriors being stereotyed as 55 monks only which is not the case.They can and are regular Monks like mine that happen to be a Mo/W.I refer you to thsi thread here.This has got to change as when I was in a mission a Ritualist player said no about getting a Mo/w in our party and the W/Mo said say there is nothing wrong with them but he didn't want the Mo/W in our party I was thinking this could be the reason.The thread is here.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3047208

Master Kimchee · May 31, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

As long as you're not 55-ing in the quest or mission I don't see the big deal... but I agree that this stereotype could be true, and I also agree that it isn't really fair. On the other hand, you have to remember that there are some people who actually DO try to 55 in a mission, pointless as it sounds. I've gotten Mo/W who join a group and when the mission starts, say "I tank real good!" then go die. It's these players that can cause the anti-Mo/W feelings, but I don't think much can be done unfortunately...

Vermilion · May 31, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

What do you expect? I'm not really disagreeing, but after you've been to Elona's in the last month or more you may start to think Mo/w=55. If I see one, its either a 55 or a bonder..so stereotypes will come up. Plus, if you watch any Gvgs, (ANY) chances are the only monks will be Mo/me..and to some people, whats not FotM, is not good. *shrug*

The Real Roy Keane · May 31, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Well I suppose they're assuming you're a 55'er since a Warrior secondary isn't very useful to a Monk whos primary task it is to keep the party alive.

Tsunami Rain · Jun 01, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

just to remind you, theres a nice farming section. just hit campfire and you'll see it. moved.

talk about mo/w being stereotyped as farmers here.

exodite · Jun 01, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

I use Mo/W in PvP on a regualar basis, Wary Stance helps against a warrior spike as well as Bonnetis defense, and when you have balanced stance Assassin's can't touch you as it has become one of my new fav skills!
Balanced Stance
For 8-18 seconds, you cannot be knocked down and you do not suffer extra damage from a critical attack

Age · Jun 01, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Yeah I know as I use Balance Stance as well and Mo/W was in use a lot longer in beta and in PvP way before the 55 farmer build came along.I was told bysome in the Treachous Empire it is good build.I just hate being stereotyped seeing as I play Mo/W sure i can change but I perfer not to and I did cap OoB and it was waste.I am not doing the same with MoR.

Bloodied Blade · Jun 01, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I tend to allow Mo/W players into my party, but I worry about their energy management (I understand those that are using Blessed Signet for E management and the like) because as a Mo/W their secondary is next to useless for energy management.

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

The reason Mo/W's are sterotyped as 55's aer because:

Lots of 55's are Mo/W
Theres not really any warrior skills that aid a monk

Age · Jun 02, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

There sure are a lot of skills that aid a Monk in any game play situation as it is not just a farming build.I guess when you see more Assassins going for the Monk like I did on observer mode that may change.

Imp · Jun 03, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

even as a mo/w (I 55, but I don't use any warrior skills when just being a normal monk.) I don't really see many people complaining that a monk is joining their party. But if it starts, will just hit the corner and turn into a me or something, to please peoples nerves.

Age · Jun 04, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

I guess if ppl played it with all the skills you got in quests they would know as in fact it makes the best protection build early in the game and as a bonder.I use a combo or watchyourself and bonetti's defence as it is good for normal monking and gives enrgy back as well not compined with boon.When in the deset I used balance stance as well.

Nkah Sennyt · Jun 04, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

I play my 55 monk as a Mo/Me or Mo/E, just to mess with my necro's head. I usually go into parties as Mo/Me though, just because I <3 Mantra of REcall, not because I don't want to play as a Mo/W / get stereotyped as such.

Tijger · Jun 04, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I guess if ppl played it with all the skills you got in quests they would know as in fact it makes the best protection build early in the game and as a bonder.I use a combo or watchyourself and bonetti's defence as it is good for normal monking and gives enrgy back as well not compined with boon.When in the deset I used balance stance as well.

Unfortunately, most Mo/W's who join parties are 55'ers or smiters and rarely announce this fact before the mission. We had this happen at Tahnnakai Temple last night and if hadnt been for the fact the other monk was pretty good and everyone had res sigs we wouldnt have made it.

I've only once encountered a Mo/W who was not a 55'er in a mission and yes, unfortunately, that does lead to stereotyping and makes me (and others) shie away from Mo/W's.

jummeth · Jun 04, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Mo/W can also be used as AB smiters, for the added mobility

Sacho · Jun 04, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

I don't really understand your point Age. Are you talking from a pve, or a pvp perspective? In PvE, mobs shouldn't be attacking you anyway - their aggro is so easy to shake off. As such, you'd want to focus all your energy into healing your team, and mainly your tanks, who will take most of the damage.

Using the stances you mention in pvp is pretty limited - your attacks will just ignore you while you have the stance on(or even worse, remove it or hit right through it with unblockable/magic attacks), and since you've hampered your energy management and ability to heal your allies, you'd have problems keeping them alive.

There are quite few monk builds that can run with no secondary(ie the WoH monk), so I don't think Mo/W's should just be discarded. It only takes a few minutes to ask someone what they are running - I already ask everyone in a pug what they run before we jump in. A few minutes of preparation will save you much more time than the "gogogogogogo" mentality, really.

elektra_lucia · Jun 04, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

"Monk/Warriors being stereotyed as 55 monks only which is not the case.They can and are regular Monks like mine that happen to be a Mo/W.I refer you to thsi thread here.This has got to change as when I was in a mission a Ritualist player said no about getting a Mo/w in our party and the W/Mo said say there is nothing wrong with them but he didn't want the Mo/W in our party I was thinking this could be the reason.The thread is here.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3047208"

Didn't click the link, but to me a monk should be monk mesmer for the obvious reasons :

Channeling, Drain enchant, Inspired Hex, Revealed Hex, Revealed Enchant etc...

Monk/Warrior? What are you gonna do, frenzy spam him with a fiery dragon sword? :x.

Age · Jun 05, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Then you would see mo/mes everywhere and get very bored of it and what defences does a mesmer have?I don't use frenzy on my Warrior even as i don't reallt like the skill.I guess most don't the benifit of being mo/w at say level 4 when the charr are on you and are still in presearing armor that is the good thing about watchyourself it provides 20 armor more and I used it.I see mo/r with pet how good is that and the same with /n at level 4 no good skills there.The only other one is /e for glyph of lesser energy.Mo/W is a very practical protection build either for bonding or active protect and can work just as good as a mesmer not a boon/protect.I am talking about both parts more to point of pve I am talking at the lower levels and if a warrior in pvp in right on top of you.

To Tijger did you see what armor they were wearing if it is full tats they could be 55ers and when you went into mission did you look at their off hands if they had crim cesta and a smiting rod if so they were a 55 and asked to read out their health.

There were players useing the Mo/W back in beta in pvp in halls of heros and I even used back then it wasn't just full of Mo/Mes.

Blkout · Jun 06, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Monk/Warriors being stereotyed as 55 monks only which is not the case.They can and are regular Monks like mine that happen to be a Mo/W.I refer you to thsi thread here.This has got to change as when I was in a mission a Ritualist player said no about getting a Mo/w in our party and the W/Mo said say there is nothing wrong with them but he didn't want the Mo/W in our party I was thinking this could be the reason.The thread is here.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3047208

The majority of Mo/W's are 55's nowadays. It irritates me to no end to see one try to PUG. Many of them will even lie just to get in a group when you ask them if they are 55's.

TheWatcher · Jun 06, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

I am not sure who is the *troll* of this story, the 55 MoWa trying to get to a mission with 55 settings or the people asking a MoWa whether they are 55 or not.
There are always reasons for MoWa, full stop.

Confronted with the question whether I am a 55 or not I will simply leave the group (applies to any kind of question like Are you XXXX-Nuker, YYY-Spiker) and if I lead a group and get a MoWa in my group, they are welcomed even to 55 if they want because it is a random group, full stop.